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Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:25:20 +0100

From: Douglas Payne <douggie(at)cheerful.com>

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

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Vamp wrote:

> "Douglas Payne" <douggie(at)cheerful.com> wrote in message

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>

>>Me wrote:

>>

>>>Took the missus car for an MOT the other day and can anyone tell me how

>>>this car is known as a "Sporting",

>>

>>Well the manufacturers stuck some stickers on that say "Sporting", and

>>hence the Seicento Sporting came into existence. If it was fast they`d

>>probably have called it a Seicento "BLISTERINGLY QUICK".

>>

>>As it happens, they stuck the stickers to a car that has been designed to

>>be driven at full chat everywhere and still be reasonably good fun but not

>>actually very fast.

>>

>>Douglas

>

>

> or very safe! i think i`d have a moped over the crappy death trap fiat`s

> seen there ncap test results? :)



I`ve got a moped. I rode it all over the place when I was 16.



Being mechanically restricted to 30mph isn`t much fun on today`s roads.



Personally, I`d take the Fiat every time.



Douglas









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From: "DervMan" <dervman(at)ntlworld.com>

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:13:13 GMT

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"AstraVanMan" <Peter(at)Whataloadofforeskinbollocks.co.uk> wrote in message

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>> We`re not seriously arguing that the Sei/Cinq Sporting isn`t slow are we?

>> `Cos lets face it, if its fast, then so is Dervy`s Ka, and i for one am

>> NEVER going to say that, unless he gets a 2.0 ZVH Turbo in there ;)

>

> ZVH. What a mad idea that was. You`ve got a Zetec engine, a reasonably

> good, rev-happy engine, so you take the 16 valve head off it, and put a

> CVH head, known for lots of problems like valve guides going, etc etc.

> Okaaay.



Well, the Zetec-E isn`t especially rev happy. It`s arguably better than a

CVH, but not really by much. The Zetec-SE is much rev happier (at least

apart from the detuned 1.4 used in the current Fiesta and older generation

Focus).



> Seriously, what *is* the attraction in doing that? Is it the extra

> low-down torque that the 8-valve CVH head provides? Is it worth the

> sacrifice?



It`s because the CVH is easily tuned, either atmo or turbo, whereas the

Zetec-E isn`t. But the Zetec-E has a very strong bottom end. This means

you can produce more power with greater reliability.



> Having said all that, I`ve had a couple of 1.3CVH Escorts, and I was

> always quite impressed with them, compared to the 1.3 OHVs I`d previously

> had - they had hydraulic tappets for one, and did seem a lot more modern,

> smooth and refined. In comparison, like.



The later CVH engines were much better. Sadly the 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8 are not

compatible (as I understand). The 1.8 has a totally different design, but

later CVH 1.8 Sierras are much better than earlier machines.



They`re also cheap to fix.



--

The DervMan

www.dervman.com










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From: "DervMan" <dervman(at)ntlworld.com>

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:16:16 GMT

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"Ronny" <ronny(at)nospamfsplanes.net> wrote in message

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> DervMan wrote:

>> "Me" <no.0ne(at)nowhere.com> wrote in message

>> news:9mire.601873$Ge2.500631(at)fe03.news.easynews.com...

>>> Took the missus car for an MOT the other day and can anyone tell me

>>> how this car is known as a "Sporting", I think a moped would have a

>>> better 0 to 60 time and everyone tries to intimidate you when you

>>> drive them too!

>>

>>

>> Please ignore the helpful advice on making one faster, it doesn`t

>> work, it`s still slow in a straight line...

>>

>> ...but that`s not the point. The Cinquecento (and Siecento) are all

>> about the package. They have a great buzzy little FIRE engine and a

>> nice grippy feeling. In isolation or compared to most of their

>> peers, they _feel_ quicker.

>>

>> For the young, the Italian (probably) or those seeking good value, it

>> works.

>>

>> I like them. Would I have another Siecento or Cinquecento? I prefer

>> the Cinquecento - Fiat rubbed out the hard edges of the Cinq when

>> they made the Sie, the ride is a bit softer and it generaly doesn`t

>> work quite as well.

>>

>> Annoyingly for Fiat, Ford produced a sub-B car that trades punches in

>> the performance stakes, goes around corners even better, uses more

>> petrol, has a longer service interval and sits in a cheaper insurance

>> bracket - oh and sold stacks more.

>

> If you want a fun small car like that, try a VW Lupo GTI or the Seat

> Arosa,

> much more fun, better engines, decent specs.



Hmm. Aye perhaps - except back in 1995 the Arosa or Lupo wasn`t out.



But to be fair the GTI is missing the point. The Cinquecento took the small

car concept and proved that you don`t have to have a 1.6 125 PS donk and

stiff suspension to have a laugh. They`re not meant to be quick cars, only

feel quick.



The best thing about the Cinquecento Sporting is that you can cane it

10/10th of its abilities and still spend the majority of the time inside the

speed limits.



> This review made me laugh :)

>

> "Only the 1.1 petrol is still on sale. Fun round town, stretched out of it

> and overtaking needs forward planning and a note from your mum. Avoid the

> Citymatic gearbox"



:)



> Reminds me of Alan Partridge when he phones his wife, and tells her about

> her husband Renault Megane review in top gear magazine "Over taking

> national

> express coaches can be a long a drawn out affair" :)



Hehehe.



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The DervMan

www.dervman.com














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