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Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

From: "DervMan" <dervman(at)ntlworld.com>

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:16:16 GMT

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"Ronny" <ronny(at)nospamfsplanes.net> wrote in message

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> DervMan wrote:

>> "Me" <no.0ne(at)nowhere.com> wrote in message

>> news:9mire.601873$Ge2.500631(at)fe03.news.easynews.com...

>>> Took the missus car for an MOT the other day and can anyone tell me

>>> how this car is known as a "Sporting", I think a moped would have a

>>> better 0 to 60 time and everyone tries to intimidate you when you

>>> drive them too!

>>

>>

>> Please ignore the helpful advice on making one faster, it doesn`t

>> work, it`s still slow in a straight line...

>>

>> ...but that`s not the point. The Cinquecento (and Siecento) are all

>> about the package. They have a great buzzy little FIRE engine and a

>> nice grippy feeling. In isolation or compared to most of their

>> peers, they _feel_ quicker.

>>

>> For the young, the Italian (probably) or those seeking good value, it

>> works.

>>

>> I like them. Would I have another Siecento or Cinquecento? I prefer

>> the Cinquecento - Fiat rubbed out the hard edges of the Cinq when

>> they made the Sie, the ride is a bit softer and it generaly doesn`t

>> work quite as well.

>>

>> Annoyingly for Fiat, Ford produced a sub-B car that trades punches in

>> the performance stakes, goes around corners even better, uses more

>> petrol, has a longer service interval and sits in a cheaper insurance

>> bracket - oh and sold stacks more.

>

> If you want a fun small car like that, try a VW Lupo GTI or the Seat

> Arosa,

> much more fun, better engines, decent specs.



Hmm. Aye perhaps - except back in 1995 the Arosa or Lupo wasn`t out.



But to be fair the GTI is missing the point. The Cinquecento took the small

car concept and proved that you don`t have to have a 1.6 125 PS donk and

stiff suspension to have a laugh. They`re not meant to be quick cars, only

feel quick.



The best thing about the Cinquecento Sporting is that you can cane it

10/10th of its abilities and still spend the majority of the time inside the

speed limits.



> This review made me laugh :)

>

> "Only the 1.1 petrol is still on sale. Fun round town, stretched out of it

> and overtaking needs forward planning and a note from your mum. Avoid the

> Citymatic gearbox"



:)



> Reminds me of Alan Partridge when he phones his wife, and tells her about

> her husband Renault Megane review in top gear magazine "Over taking

> national

> express coaches can be a long a drawn out affair" :)



Hehehe.



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The DervMan

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SUBJECT: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting
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From: "DervMan" <dervman(at)ntlworld.com>

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:30:53 GMT

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"SteveH" <steve(at)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message

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> DervMan <dervman(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:

>

>> "Me" <no.0ne(at)nowhere.com> wrote in message

>> news:9mire.601873$Ge2.500631(at)fe03.news.easynews.com...

>> > Took the missus car for an MOT the other day and can anyone tell me how

>> > this car is known as a "Sporting", I think a moped would have a better

>> > 0

>> > to 60 time and everyone tries to intimidate you when you drive them

>> > too!

>>

>>

>> Please ignore the helpful advice on making one faster, it doesn`t work,

>> it`s

>> still slow in a straight line...

>>

> <snip>

>>

>> Annoyingly for Fiat, Ford produced a sub-B car that trades punches in the

>> performance stakes, goes around corners even better, uses more petrol,

>> has a

>> longer service interval and sits in a cheaper insurance bracket - oh and

>> sold stacks more.

>

> That was also more expensive, less rust resistant, had a nasty engine

> designed in the 1950s and looked like it was styled by a 5 year old.



I thought you liked the Cinquecento though?



Oh you`re on about the Ka, heh.



It was more expensive, to the tune of about £1,000. But it also has a

superior ride.



If you judge the Cinq by your example, I gotta judge the Ka by ours example.

Our Cinq had a bubble of rust coming through the rear hatchback, which was

covered under warranty. We`ve nothing like that with the Ka...



But you`re right, at least in the early years. I keep on seeing parked

Cinquecentos looked very much the worse for the wear these days. It`s quite

sad, really.



As for the styling, you`ve the boxy, sit-up-and-bed Cinquecento, or the

swoopy curvy Ka. I`ve run both, on balance I don`t really prefer either

exterior. They`re different. However, the Ka`s interior is much better to

live with and it`s better equipped. Pre-1996 Cinquecentos didn`t have a

light-up dashboard, and all had all sorts of strange funkiness with regard

to the interior switches. Rear wash / wipe on the dashboard? Electric

window switches on the dashboard in the middle? Eh? Not the easiest of

cars to get used to.



> The

> Ka may (allegedly) corner better, but it`s just not fun.



You`re wrong. It is fun. It`s different fun. With the Cinquecento, it`s

great fun to nail it corner after corner after corner. It feels raw, eager,

buzzy. The Ka doesn`t have the eagerness, but it`s more refined, more

subtle and a damn sight easier on the ears when you have to take the

motorway route.



> It`s also loads

> bigger on the outside but, for some unfathomable reason, smaller on the

> inside.



In some respects it is. Driven four up, nobody gets much room in the back

of either. There`s about an inch more headroom in the Cinquecento (Dervy

measured) and about half an inch less knee room. Neither is comfortable for

me to sit in the back. But you`re right, there is more room in the

Cinquecento.



The Ka is a four seater, the Cinquecento seats five - in theory!



Seats in the normal upright position, the Ka`s boot is _significantly_

bigger than the Cinquecento. If you buy a car like this to go shopping,

that`s important.



Seats folded down, the Cinquecento rules. It has a great boxy cargo hold

with more room than the Ka. Access is also better (the Ka has a curvy ass

and rear lights that cut in on the shape). And the Cinquecento`s rear seat

base forms a half height bulkhead, letting the seat backs fold flat.



Mind you the Ka has a split / fold rear seat as standard, which wasn`t

something my Cinquecento SX had, so you can take three people (including the

driver) and something chunky from Ikea, which isn`t an option.



More room in the Cinquecento, then, less versatile under certain conditions.



> Think that just about covers it.



No there`s more. The Cinquecento didn`t have power assisted super quick

steering, most Kas have. It didn`t have ABS on the options list. It was an

option on all Kas from early 1997. It didn`t have air conditioning

available in right hand drive form, optional in some Kas from 1997, standard

in others, unavailable in the basic one. It had a transmission that would

get stuck in fifth and wasn`t especially fluid at the best of times - small

Ford tranmissions rule the world. Occasionally the rear windscreen would

shatter, not something the Ka is known for. It had a ventilation system

that could either demist the windscreen or the side windows, but not both at

the same time. The Ka can manage this.



I think the Cinquecento is a great machine and I would possibly have

another, but as a design, it is simply outclassed by the Ka.



Ford raised the city car game by devising a chassis that slapped everything

else in the class about the face with a wed haddock in the twisty material

but also gave it a supple ride and decent motorway refinement.



--

The DervMan

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From: steve(at)italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:37:45 +0100

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DervMan <dervman(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:



> Ford raised the city car game by devising a chassis that slapped everything

> else in the class about the face with a wed haddock in the twisty material

> but also gave it a supple ride and decent motorway refinement.



Then lumbered it with a wheezy old pushrod engine and Fisher Price

styling.



The Cinq. was boxy, but, especially once lowered, looked just *right*.



I`ve snipped some stuff, but I`ll refer back to the PAS, aircon etc.....

what the *fuck* is the point in stuff like that in a stripped out little

hatch? - I mean, it robs the Ka of desperately needed bhp, so you`re

better off without it.



Cinq. wins every time for me.

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