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Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

From: "DervMan" <dervman(at)ntlworld.com>

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 21:30:53 GMT

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"SteveH" <steve(at)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message

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> DervMan <dervman(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:

>

>> "Me" <no.0ne(at)nowhere.com> wrote in message

>> news:9mire.601873$Ge2.500631(at)fe03.news.easynews.com...

>> > Took the missus car for an MOT the other day and can anyone tell me how

>> > this car is known as a "Sporting", I think a moped would have a better

>> > 0

>> > to 60 time and everyone tries to intimidate you when you drive them

>> > too!

>>

>>

>> Please ignore the helpful advice on making one faster, it doesn`t work,

>> it`s

>> still slow in a straight line...

>>

> <snip>

>>

>> Annoyingly for Fiat, Ford produced a sub-B car that trades punches in the

>> performance stakes, goes around corners even better, uses more petrol,

>> has a

>> longer service interval and sits in a cheaper insurance bracket - oh and

>> sold stacks more.

>

> That was also more expensive, less rust resistant, had a nasty engine

> designed in the 1950s and looked like it was styled by a 5 year old.



I thought you liked the Cinquecento though?



Oh you`re on about the Ka, heh.



It was more expensive, to the tune of about £1,000. But it also has a

superior ride.



If you judge the Cinq by your example, I gotta judge the Ka by ours example.

Our Cinq had a bubble of rust coming through the rear hatchback, which was

covered under warranty. We`ve nothing like that with the Ka...



But you`re right, at least in the early years. I keep on seeing parked

Cinquecentos looked very much the worse for the wear these days. It`s quite

sad, really.



As for the styling, you`ve the boxy, sit-up-and-bed Cinquecento, or the

swoopy curvy Ka. I`ve run both, on balance I don`t really prefer either

exterior. They`re different. However, the Ka`s interior is much better to

live with and it`s better equipped. Pre-1996 Cinquecentos didn`t have a

light-up dashboard, and all had all sorts of strange funkiness with regard

to the interior switches. Rear wash / wipe on the dashboard? Electric

window switches on the dashboard in the middle? Eh? Not the easiest of

cars to get used to.



> The

> Ka may (allegedly) corner better, but it`s just not fun.



You`re wrong. It is fun. It`s different fun. With the Cinquecento, it`s

great fun to nail it corner after corner after corner. It feels raw, eager,

buzzy. The Ka doesn`t have the eagerness, but it`s more refined, more

subtle and a damn sight easier on the ears when you have to take the

motorway route.



> It`s also loads

> bigger on the outside but, for some unfathomable reason, smaller on the

> inside.



In some respects it is. Driven four up, nobody gets much room in the back

of either. There`s about an inch more headroom in the Cinquecento (Dervy

measured) and about half an inch less knee room. Neither is comfortable for

me to sit in the back. But you`re right, there is more room in the

Cinquecento.



The Ka is a four seater, the Cinquecento seats five - in theory!



Seats in the normal upright position, the Ka`s boot is _significantly_

bigger than the Cinquecento. If you buy a car like this to go shopping,

that`s important.



Seats folded down, the Cinquecento rules. It has a great boxy cargo hold

with more room than the Ka. Access is also better (the Ka has a curvy ass

and rear lights that cut in on the shape). And the Cinquecento`s rear seat

base forms a half height bulkhead, letting the seat backs fold flat.



Mind you the Ka has a split / fold rear seat as standard, which wasn`t

something my Cinquecento SX had, so you can take three people (including the

driver) and something chunky from Ikea, which isn`t an option.



More room in the Cinquecento, then, less versatile under certain conditions.



> Think that just about covers it.



No there`s more. The Cinquecento didn`t have power assisted super quick

steering, most Kas have. It didn`t have ABS on the options list. It was an

option on all Kas from early 1997. It didn`t have air conditioning

available in right hand drive form, optional in some Kas from 1997, standard

in others, unavailable in the basic one. It had a transmission that would

get stuck in fifth and wasn`t especially fluid at the best of times - small

Ford tranmissions rule the world. Occasionally the rear windscreen would

shatter, not something the Ka is known for. It had a ventilation system

that could either demist the windscreen or the side windows, but not both at

the same time. The Ka can manage this.



I think the Cinquecento is a great machine and I would possibly have

another, but as a design, it is simply outclassed by the Ka.



Ford raised the city car game by devising a chassis that slapped everything

else in the class about the face with a wed haddock in the twisty material

but also gave it a supple ride and decent motorway refinement.



--

The DervMan

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SUBJECT: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting
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From: steve(at)italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:37:45 +0100

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DervMan <dervman(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:



> Ford raised the city car game by devising a chassis that slapped everything

> else in the class about the face with a wed haddock in the twisty material

> but also gave it a supple ride and decent motorway refinement.



Then lumbered it with a wheezy old pushrod engine and Fisher Price

styling.



The Cinq. was boxy, but, especially once lowered, looked just *right*.



I`ve snipped some stuff, but I`ll refer back to the PAS, aircon etc.....

what the *fuck* is the point in stuff like that in a stripped out little

hatch? - I mean, it robs the Ka of desperately needed bhp, so you`re

better off without it.



Cinq. wins every time for me.

--

Steve H `You`re not a real petrolhead unless you`ve owned an Alfa Romeo`

http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark

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SUBJECT: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting
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From: "DanTXD" <dan405(at)SdanPontAherMun.com>

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:16:55 +0100

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"Pete M" <pete.murray(at)blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk> wrote in message

news:42af2b5c$0$18644$14726298(at)news.sunsite.dk...

> In news:M6xre.14403$jS3.3968(at)newsfe2-win.ntli.net,

> Rob <finlayson1SPAMTRAP(at)ntlworld.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered

> souls with a rant as follows

>> Pfft

>>

>> dont knock them till you`ve abused one

>>

>> I still steal the wifes punto sporting for a bit of back road abuse

>> and leave the Cav at home 1242cc`s a god awful 85 brake (well a few

>> tweaks so more like 95) and typical squat fiat handling great fun

>> i`m just waiting on her breaking it so i can steal the engine and

>> drop it into a Cinq. Now that would be interesting :)

>

> I drove a hired Seicento poverty model from Amsterdam to Brussels a few

> years ago. Thrashed it to within an inch of its life all the way there,

> and just sat at, um, 90ish all the way back.

>

> Cost me the equivalent of £14.00 in fuel to do something daft like 500 km.

>

> Comfier than the train though.

>



*shudder* ANYTHING is better than having to resort to public transport.



--

Dan














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Title: I am not a fan of BMW month
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:40:06 +0000
Author: whoisfelix

I pretty much visit the Speedhunters website daily for my car fix. I actually need quite a few of those thoughout any given day. Every month lately, they’ve been sticking to a theme. I was fully on board for speed month, as they covered salt flat racing, wangan cars, and did some pretty awesome retrospective coverage of the old Avus and Autobahn circuits. This month, they are doing BMW month. I don’t hate BMW’s. In fact, I like them quite a lot. BMW’s don’t vary that much and I feel like I’ve seen it all. I guess I’m just waiting for the October theme to be announced so I can get back on board. Not hating, just waiting…

Here’s a couple of shots that I actually REALLY liked from last month. Some just look cool, others show another side of speed. I had no idea that Top Secret built a pikes peak car. I am late to the Pentroof party. At any rate, here are my favorites for Speed Month in August on Speedhunters;

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Title: New 2010 Nissan Altima Leaked (details and photos)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:09:29 +0000
Author: Trance4you

The new images of the updated Nissan 2010 Altima was leaked to the web on the same day the company issued a recall for 26,398 Altimas and Maximas.

2010 Nissan Altima leaked img_1 | AutoWorld

The 2010 Altima receives the reworked front fascia, now it features a slightly more prominent upper grille and a lower intake that’s molded in body color plastic instead of black. Flanking that lower opening are new foglights that sit inside boomerang-shaped recesses. We can’t make out much of the car’s hind quarters, but it seems the tail lamps have grown a in size.

Read more (details and photos)!!

Engine options will expected carryover, meaning we can expect a 2.5-liter four cylinder with 175 hp and 180 lb-ft of torque as well as a 3.5-liter V6 with 270 hp and 258 lb-ft of torque.

In terms of technology, the Altima is probable to deal a 4.3-crawl HDD navigation approach (with iPod connectivity), xenon headlights, and a 9 GB audio usage.


More on: http://autoworld.wordpress.com/2009/09/24/new-2010-nissan-altima-photo-leaked-details-and-photos/










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