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Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

From: steve(at)italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:50:41 +0100

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DervMan <dervman(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:



> > *ding*

> >

> > The Fiat solution for PAS was much better (once it arrived on the Sei) -

> > they used electric assistance rather than using a power-sapping

> > hydraulic pump they grabbed from the parts bin.

>

>

> And robbed it of feel...

>

> Have you tried the Ka`s PAS?



Don`t see the point in PAS on a Ka unless you`re a frail old granny. All

it does is rob you of bhp.

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From: steve(at)italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:04:04 +0100

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DervMan <dervman(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:



> "SteveH" <steve(at)italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:1gy643y.bpjgsou5ljo5N%steve(at)italiancar.co.uk...

> > DervMan <dervman(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Ford raised the city car game by devising a chassis that slapped

> >> everything

> >> else in the class about the face with a wed haddock in the twisty

> >> material

> >> but also gave it a supple ride and decent motorway refinement.

> >

> > Then lumbered it with a wheezy old pushrod engine and Fisher Price

> > styling.

>

> Who cares about the design of the engine? More people don`t than do...



So? - is that some feeble excuse for Ford continuing with an engine that

should have been replaced 20 years ago?



> The styling is cute, but it`s also personal. You`re not going to like it

> because (a) it`s trendy to dislike it and (b) it wears a Ford badge.

>

> I`m open minded about such things.



It`s not cute. It`s too curvy and has a fat arse.



Just like you like your women.



> > The Cinq. was boxy, but, especially once lowered, looked just *right*.

>

> It did not look right. It looked like a boxy lowered Lego car.

>

> The Cinquecento also has the handicap of looking almost exactly like the

> Lancia Y10 or Fiat Uno from many perspectives. Hmm.



Fiat family design cues, maybe, but they managed to get the proportions

right. To this day, there`s no better design for a small car than a cube

on wheels.



> > I`ve snipped some stuff, but I`ll refer back to the PAS, aircon etc.....

> > what the *fuck* is the point in stuff like that in a stripped out little

> > hatch? - I mean, it robs the Ka of desperately needed bhp, so you`re

> > better off without it.

>

> Stripped out? Why did it have electric windows, central locking and the

> best stereo of the range?



They`re hardly adding massive amounts of weight. The `best stereo` was

still a bit laughable even for it`s day. I put central locking and

electric windows down as must haves these days. I wouldn`t buy another

`main` car without climate, but that`s because I wouldn`t drive a city

car every day either.



> I think you`re getting confused between "stripped out" and "couldn`t find

> the space for" here.



Bollocks. There`s massive amounts of space in a Cinq. Aircon would ahve

been a challenge, but that`s just down to super-efficient use of

available space.



> So you don`t drive anything without PAS, is that it? You said last week

> that you`d not consider running a car without air conditioning these days?



All 3 current cars have PAS, the Golf (when running) didn`t - but VW had

the chassis set up well enough not to need PAS, even on 185/60HR14

tyres.



> You also excluded the bits about the Cinquecento`s interior being less

> practical and it having a smaller boot.



But it`s significantly smaller than a Ka. It does make *better* use of

road space than a Ka, though.



> > Cinq. wins every time for me.

>

> In your opinion, which is hugely biased against Fords.



And this opinion was formed why? - could it be the 2 total heaps of

shite I`ve owned in the past?



> I wonder if it would be the same if the Cinquecento wore a Ford badge and

> the Ka had a Fiat badge. Yeah I can imagine - "oh sure the Ka has an old

> generation engine, but it handles so well, it`s just right as a small car,

> and it proves how good the Italians are at making a car look funky. The

> Cinq, how can they call a 1.1 litre a `sporting` car?"



Erm, you give Ford *far* too much credit. Even today, they`re struggling

to produce engines that are as good as the FIRE lump - the only one`s

that have come close were designed by Yamaha `cos they couldn`t do it

themselves. There`s also no way Ford would have come up with something

that was styled so well.



`Sporting` is relative and also based on the trim levels. Lowered,

stiffened suspension, sports seats, leather steering wheel / gear knob,

red seatbelts and a fizzy little engine qualifies it as `Sporting` in

the same way that you can have an original Cinq. Abarth.



But you wouldn`t understand as you`ve never owned anything even remotely

Sporting. Your history is of owning MOR pieces of mainstream shite.



> Anyway, is the Cinquecento featured in Gran Turismo 4? Oh, look, no it`s

> not. But the pushrod 1.3 Ka is...



As if that`s a measure.



Fucktard.

--

Steve H `You`re not a real petrolhead unless you`ve owned an Alfa Romeo`

http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark

Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE - COSOC KOTL

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From: "JackH" <jackhackettuk(at)yahoo.co.uk>

Subject: Re: Fiat Sceicento Sporting

Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:01:45 +0100

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SteveH wrote:

> DervMan <dervman(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:



>> Anyway, is the Cinquecento featured in Gran Turismo 4? Oh, look, no

>> it`s not. But the pushrod 1.3 Ka is...

>

> As if that`s a measure.



Well even if it was, I`ve got a Panda 1000s, and a Volvo 240 estate in my

GT4 fleet, never mind other assorted old shite I can`t be bothered to reel

off...



--

JackH














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